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you're watching our breaking news coverage of this terrorist attacks in france. want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. here's what we know at this point in time. two separate hostage standoffs in and around the capital city are now over. at least three of these terrorists along with four hostages are dead. one suspect, the woman here is believed to be on the run. let me begin with this first siege. ended in this back and forth gunfire. you see smoke as a result of this. this happened in a placid place in paris in a small village near the airport. it was inside of this printing factory that these two brothers the kouachi brothers who killed those 12 journalists, members of law enforcement wednesday morning in charlie hebdo magazine offices, they were holed up in this location in addition to this one other individual. now, crews were there.
they heard gunfire. the apparent bang of flash grenades and siege ended when gunmen came out firing at police. this is according to our french affiliate there. they were then killed by law enforcement on the scene. that one individual who was in the printing factory not specifically clear if that was a hostage. they were aware of that individual or if that person was hiding. that person is okay. he or she walked away unharmed. at the same point in time larger standoff in paris undertaken by two other people who were part of the same jihadist group as these brothers. this man and the woman live together and today they held up this grocery store taking several hostages and we have images now showing the end of that siege and all these people of course rushing out of this small one way in one way out sort of grocery store here and we're now hearing from the
president of france that four of them were killed. also killed in that hostage siege, the hostage taker, the man we've been showing you on the far right of your screen. his accomplice the woman, on the run. both suspected of killing a policewoman yesterday morning. a lot of different moving parts here. chris cuomo is on the scene because we can't get too far away from what started this at the memorial people milling about 9:00 your time. a somber scene and unbelievable course of events today. >> it has been unimaginable what has happened in the course of 24 hours. we have the memorial here by the offices of charlie hebdo, the satirical magazine where this started with horrible massacre of 12 people, many others injured, many seriously. there's a memorial. people gathering again.
it grows by the hour. people trying to keep in hearts and minds how this started and what was taken and how senseless it is it's very complex. there are many setbacks for french society and for their fight against terrorism and just for the sense of community and yet as we see right now, the words on top translated to paris is charlie. they are all charlie hebdo. there's a sense of unity coming out of this but it was hard fought because of what happened today in two separate locations. let's go to isa soares. you are outside of the market where hostages were held and many were released. some did not make it out. others were injured. so were some s.w.a.t. team members that tried to free them. the french president said this was an anti-semitic attack. it's a kosher market. we're also told that many muslims shopped there as well to
fill their own specific religious dietary needs. what have you heard there about how this is perceived and whether or not it was a specific targeting attack of jews? >> reporter: hi chris. people i've been speaking to they're not really saying it was specifically attacking jews. this is not a jewish area in the east of paris. this is middle class area. it's lots of different stores. not just jewish stores. muslim stores as well. a variety of shops here. people would not expect to see much police activity in this area. it's a very ordinary part of the east of paris really. it came as a surprise to many here today what we saw unfolding throughout the day. we were standing next to each other really and we saw a city on edge and really a city on alert. >> i have to jump in.
i'm sorry. the french prime minister is on. he's being interviewed right now. let's listen into that. french prime minister on television now. >> translator: to be aware that we are at war against terrorism in france and abroad. we need unity. we need to unite and we need to have the spirit of responsibility. >> translator: was that a failure the fact that three terrorists were killed? the two first ones got out with the will to attack the police and to kill them. what else could we have done than what special police forces did and i am convinced because there are people being detained and people close to them and inquiry with the anti-terrorist authority must demonstrate the depth of these links between
these individuals, these terrorists these acts that they committed to see if there are other people other accomplices. we must not just only not drop our guards but together with the intelligence services we must be particularly mobilized. 90 police officers soldiers are mobilized. we have more means available in the coming days. more soldiers this week and 700 at the beginning of the week because we need to protect places of worship, schools, we need this police presence and soldiers. this is a long-term job because of the threat that we have known for at least three years following the attacks. an attack of conscience.
people are trained in syria and iraq. they are french. they live amongst us and this requires mobilization to face these terrorists acts. >> translator: are these means going to be reinforced. this is a failure even if we can say we can't foresee everything. we're faced with a failure. there is a failure when there are 17 deaths. there were failures but there are hundreds of people that go to syria and iraq who are trained. others who come back. there are people who are detained. there are judicial authorities, individuals who are imprisoned today. we have laws that have been
passed. one a few weeks ago with a large majority unanimously to increase arsenal against terrorism. that's not sufficient apparent apparently. all countries, even legal systems that are different where we can work together in cooperation in countries such as spain, great britain belgium with terrible attacks including the jewish museum in brussels united states canada and others all concerned and of course there are failures in other democratic systems. we have to react because it would be absurd not to react. at the same time we must not rush. interior ministry asked to bring together different leaders together respecting the rule of law but to be absolutely firm but as the prime minister we
are facing a major challenge, external and internal enemy. this is not a fight between civilizations. we welcome, we know these types of attacks. we managed to stop and foil a number of attacks over the years. >> reporter: the french prime minister giving voice for what's been obvious to the french population that the war against terror is not just being fought external but a internalal allyinternally. worst kind of wake-up call with a series of events in the last few days starting here at the offices of the french satirical magazine and culminating in joint standoffs today that ended with injuries not just to the police who went into free hostages but to hostages
themselves and three terrorists. the situations are over but really the dialogue is just beginning. that's why the french foreign minister and the president have taken to the airwaves and the conversations are going on in the streets themselves. let's go to isa soares. i'm sorry that i had to cut you off like that. i had to get to the french prime minister. i wanted to pick up with a point that you were making there. you know as you're aware, the terrorists inside that kosher market where a lot of muslims also shop but they believe he picked it because it was a kosher market he called in to a journalists who reported on our affiliate that he was connected to the brothers. he was not involved with charlie hebdo. his part of the mission was to attack police separately which he did killing one, a female police officer who was unarmed. he also said he was doing it for isis. it's hard to make sense of that because the brothers identify themselves with aqap al qaeda
in the arabian peninsula and the idea of a joint venture is unfathomable to any expert we asked about it. what do you make of that? >> reporter: absolutely. i think that's why it raises so many questions. we've been discussing in the last 24 hours whether there's any sort of relation between the brothers and indeed amedi coulibaly and that he said he was with isis races many eyebrows. to the point you were saying at the kosher store here not only did you have a lot of the jewish community but a lot of the muslim community and people here saying it's not an attack necessarily on jews but society as a whole. i was here late last year during a time when paris saw a rise of anti-semantic protests and
activity. we saw synagogues being targeted shops being looted. i had an opportunity to speak to the head of the community here the jewish community. he told me and i remember writing this down. he said there was a 40% increase in violence against the community in the first part of last year. he said the levels of migration from france to israel are the lowest since the founding of israel. that's not to say that we know necessarily why he targeted this. of course i'm sure french experts and police will be investigating that closely. of course it does raise many eyebrows. the fact that he came in and he basically said to them you know who i am and inside were so many people and a lot of women. we heard reports up to six people. we cannot independently confirm that. among the six is one toddler. he came and wasn't alone.
he came in with his accomplice who was his girlfriend. she was also being blamed accused of killing the policewoman. now, they came in and as police started targeting the area and this is a very different hostage situation from the one we saw about 35 miles or so away. if i just get the cameraman to look over my shoulder it's a couple hundred meters that way. it's in the corner. it's so tight. it's much more difficult in terms of the police to go in and really take control of the situation. that's what they did. at the moment, the woman in the midst of the confusion, the girlfriend is on the run at this hour. chris? >> to the extent that the female accomplice is still on the loose, she's so important to investigators because she's the only surviving link to the plans that hatched all of this madness
to begin with making her that much more valuable to try to see how extensive this connection what's being called a cell here could be. thank you for the reporting from there. check back in if you have anything. let's get to frederik pleitgen. you are at the other area of the standoff that's come to its conclusion. you are well aware of this reporting i referred to with isa about the journalist able to make contact with all three terrorists and get explanations in their own words about why they were doing this and what their affiliations and intentions were. what do you make of that now? >> reporter: it certainly is remarkable and bizarre. it seems as though these people also not only wanted to kill people but they obviously had a message they wanted to get across and one of those messages were they were affiliated with terror organizations around the world. one of the interesting things i want to mention first is that with the siege when it ended here earlier today, it was
really very much the opposite of what happened there in paris. in central paris, it was a dense area. there were a lot more hostages. a lot smaller space that police had to raid. police had perfect conditions for conducting their siege here and then taking these terrorists out at the end of it. they cordoned off the area. there really isn't very much around here. it was easy for them to move civilians around. it was easy for them to isolate the two terrorists. they had someone in that building as well they didn't even know was a hostage. that person wasn't with them the entire time. to get back to your question there were journalists from bfm able to contact the hostage takers as they were inside this building only about 400 yards down the road. they simply called this printing office that these people had gone into and hunkered down in. they picked up the phone. i just want to listen into what
cherif kouachi had to say to this reporter. we can't independently verify this is him or authenticity of what you are about to hear but we obtained this sound bite from the affiliate whose contact managed to contact the hostage taker. listen in. >> translator: we are the defenders of prophet muhammad. i was sent cherif kouachi, by al qaeda in yemen. an >> reporter: he says this was before alp awlaki got killed. that's the sound bightte we got from our affiliate. that's going to be very valuable to anyone who is analyzing this not the least of which are investigators to see why these people did this and what their
motivations were and what their message is and what they are trying to achieve with this. one thing terrorists usually try to achieve is as much publicity as possible and that's something they've got. the other thing they would have tried to do is silence the publications that they take issue with like charlie hebdo. that's something they certainly by no stretch of the imagination did manage to do. that recording is going to be very very important as we move forward and as investigators sniff into and try to find out what is behind all this and what other networks might be behind this and what sort of international contacts these people might have had. >> fred it's valuable if only because they are no longer alive to give any other statements. that's just the obvious. there are a lot of questions that are raised as well. they forced the hand of authorities today. they rushed them guns blazing. that's what ended their lives. they did tell authorities they were willing to die as martyrs. i don't know if they qualify as that. they certainly died by their own
ins instigation. why did they have no exit? why was there happenhazard running around without planning and what's the prop grandaganda effect of this being tracked down and then dying because of their own efforts to take on the police? it's very confusing. experts will have to dissect it to be sure. they are here no more to tell their own story. we'll check back in with you. let us know what you hear from there. we'll check in with isa soares as well. back to you in new york brooke. >> you bring up these different big picture questions and i think to your point a moment ago, it's so crucial that police
can find this fourth individual this woman, because she at the moment would be the only survivor who would be able to chip away at some of the answers to those bigger questions that we all have. this entire hunt for these french terrorists these two sets of hostage takers took just about 48 hours. before they zeroed in on the kouachi brothers and this third attacker accused of killing a police officer in paris, police swarmed multiple villages around the capital city to try to find them. let's show you a map. let's bring in tom foreman in washington with a closer look at how they managed to track down these different individuals. tom? >> the truth is if you look at this map, what you see are three key tactical questions that have to be answered. how did the kouachi brothers wind up where they were today? remember the attack initially took place in paris. they were believed to be surrounded in the woods way up here some 45 miles away from paris. authorities were sure they had
them there. and somehow they slipped out again, got into a car and started heading not just away but importantly back toward paris where nobody wanted them to get. then there was some sort of event that we're not sure what that was but they wound up at this print shop in this industrial complex here. a neighborhood off to one side. business over here. they wound up in this one small print shop where it was ultimately going to come to an end. that's one story line happening today as you look at the map. the second one was about this other couple that we've been talking about here. the ones who were believed to be responsible for killing that police officer. this man and this woman are now believed to have emerged from somewhere. we don't know where. and to have charged into this place not terribly far, the supermarket, not terribly far from the offices of charlie hebdo. the shooting of the police officer took place in southern paris but suddenly they are back in the equation. there they have hostages.
two situations developing at once. and then the big explosive moment where both places seemed to come apart at almost the same time with these attacks. the first question how did the kouachi brothers get to where they were. second question where was this man and his accomplice this woman, where were they before they showed up in the supermarket and the third question as we look at where we stand now, with three of them dead is where is she? is anybody else out there still trying to help her? brooke? >> thank you. all excellent questions. we'll speak to someone very familiar with hostage negotiations on how these investigators are trying to seek out this fourth person this woman, and try to capture her alive to start to answer some of those questions and also the radicalization process of the kouachi brothers and perhaps this greater cell in france and beyond. two guests coming up. lots more questions. stay with me. special live coverage here after this break.
breaking news. local lawmakers say the kouachi brothers wanted to die as martyrs and they came out of this printing factory where they holed themselves up earlier today near the airport in paris firing against police triggering a hail of bullets that ended their lives. if they were eager to die, why did they go on the run? let me bring in byron sage and also with me peter bergen. gentlemen, welcome. byron, first to you. put yourselves in the shoes of these s.w.a.t. teams and hostage negotiators at two separate locations in paris today with
these kouachi brothers reportedly they said they were willing to die as martyrs. how does that change your negotiation tactics knowing that? >> when you face an individual that's absolutely committed to a terminal act like that and states it clearly, then the negotiators' primary role is just to buy as much time as possible to allow the tactical units to emass necessary resources and come up with plan. you don't try to convince them to give up and fight another day. they are pretty much dictating their own demise. >> you have this hostage siege happening in one part of paris and then the other part of paris you have other two and this female according to reports managed to escape as a lot of hostages were running for their
lives literally. how does that happen when you have this area surrounded and what are law enforcement doing to try to find her alive? >> these situations are not like you see on tv. they are dynamic. there's a lot of chaos involved and often times the tactical units responsible for securing the perimeter may not be able to account for everybody when they come running out in mass. this young lady just kind of wove into that fabric and disappeared in the midst. the key thing to remember here is we had two dynamic different situations. the first situation with the kouachi brothers was actually not a hostage situation.
they were not there trying to leverage anything. they were there kind of setting a stage for a suicide by cop. and capturing the world's attention, which they succeeded in doing. the second one was more of a traditional hostage situation because the terrorists was actually using the hostages as leverage saying that these people were at risk until you give me what i want what i want is the safe passage of his comrades. it was more of a traditional type of situation even though in the long run it appears that they they were disingenuous as far as negotiation effort so again the negotiators' primary role was to work in the interest of the tactical teams to be able to get as much intel, to buy as
much time and to allow for an appropriate plan to be put in place. >> that's exactly right. you see pictures of them running out. many of them survived. according to the president of france four were killed. peter bergen i want to hone in on two kouachi brothers. there are so many questions. one of the questions the process of radicalization. i've been reading a lot about this group out of the 19th district of paris and an individual that younger kouachi brother met and others that helped galvanize this jihadi violence while they were waiting to be sentenced. talk to me about that. >> the kouachi brothers seem to have had a process of radicalization that stretched back at least a decade. if you are already prepared to go to fight in iraq as one of the brothers was in 2005 and hook up with the notorious leader of al qaeda in iraq. he was arrested before he could
do that. you are well down the path of radicalization and they come out of projects in france which are not really like american suburbs. they are like american projects. they had little job opportunities. one of them worked as a pizza delivery guy and had dreams of becoming a rapper. that fizzled out. like a lot of these guys they don't have much going on in their lives and they want to be heroes in their own story and how better to be a hero in your own story than to go to the battlefield or go out in a blaze of glory as was their intention from the get-go. there was discussion about why aren't these guys committing suicide earlier in these days and it was quite obvious that they just went in planning to die but they wanted to sustain the media coverage for as long as possible. it's obvious that this was what these guys were doing. they made statements about mart martyrdom years ago and now we
have a reliable report they met with the american leader of al qaeda in yemen and he charged them to do this attack. this is the first time that al qaeda in yemen, which has tried to attack the west pulled something off. this is obviously a spectacular manner. it was directed by an american citizen, which a lot of people don't understand that this is a group that was really led by an american. >> just final question with you, peter bergen. with this inspiration and perhaps financing from anwar al awlaki the bigger question is how big is this group within france within paris, of people with mobilized cell with others who would like to stage similar attacks? >> i think it's interesting. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is not a group that has a huge number of french
recruits. they were able to pull this out which is the biggest terror attack in europe since the attack in london. they clearly have some kind of infrastructure. interesting to see how large that infrastructure is and what this female that escaped, what her role in all this and what her travel patterns were. >> peter bergen i appreciate it. mr. sage thank you so much as well. coming up next we'll check in with my colleague, chris cuomo in paris. stay right here. much more to talk about out of france.
you're watching special coverage on cnn. chris, as we cover all of the hostage situations and the ramifications here of the radicalization process, let's focus in on where you are right now because this is where it began wednesday before noon in paris. i see people behind you still paying their respects for all of those journalists lives lost. >> reporter: so much has happened over the last few days. to think that just feet from us are offices of charlie hebdo, the french satirical magazine. 12 people killed. 11 injured. many seriously and still
battling for life perpetrated by two brothers. terrorists. and now they went from creating that massacre to killing police officers to being on the run and being chased through the woods and winding up in an industrial building where they would wind up basically taking their own lives by rushing police and being taken out quickly. a man who was hiding inside in a box who is presumed to be a hostage is accused of making it out alive. after the horrible massacre there was a shooting of two police officers. a female unarmed losing her life. the third terrorist involved in that his accomplice a female obviously was announced by french police soon after that we learned that they had taken hostages inside of a kosher supermarket. and that they were saying if you didn't release the brothers the hostages would be sacrificed and indeed they did kill hostages and others were injured. eventually there would be a
police assault on that market. terrorists would be killed. his girlfriend still at large and she's now key and critical to the investigation. that market was much more complex and much more difficult for authorities to deal with and the toll there much higher. for that story, here's isa soares. >> reporter: brazened cold blooded and trained. video of attackers as they fled before noon on wednesday was the starting point of an unprecedented manhunt. >> 80,000 people have been mobilized of which 9,800 in the isle of france. >> reporter: one left his i.d. in the abandoned getaway car. the search was on for brothers
said and cherif kouachi. both on terrorist watch lists. later, a third suspect, 18 year old turned himself into authorities. police detained nine people that first day. the two remaining gunmen still at large. and then on thursday more terror as a policewoman was shot dead in a paris suburb. it would later emerge her killer was connected to the charlie hebdo suspects. a short time after the second shooting the kouachi brothers were reportedly seen at a gas station. >> there was a man who told me they left their car and went through the forest. don't go through the forest. >> reporter: air and ground searches were concentrated around the woods until 10:00 friday morning when the hunt became a siege at an industrial
site. the two suspects holed up in a printing workshop with a hostage. >> translator: we were standing in front of the door to the factory. i shook the hand of the owner and the terrorist. he introduced himself as a policeman. i then got into my car and left. and the owner let the man into the factory. >> reporter: heavily armed police place the town near the airport in lockdown as heavily armed police surrounded the scene and began negotiating with the brothers who told them they wanted to die as martyrs. then three hours later, a second siege unfolded in eastern paris. two were holding hostages in a supermarket. after more than three days of terror on french streets, police had all of the key suspects surrounded. three hours later, explosions and smoke.
simultaneous confrontations left two brothers responsible for the charlie hebdo attack dead. coulibaly was killed when police raided the supermarket. >> our thanks to isa for that. the situation is over but for the french population eyes are just beginning to open to the war against terror that's taking place right in their own neighborhoods. french president hollande took to the airways to address his people today. he saw that attack as an anti-semantic attack and that they are at war here at home. take a listen. >> translator: i express my solidarity to the families of the victims of the wounded but when france overcomes a hardship a tragedy for the nation and this is an obligation
for us to face up to it. the killers have been put out of arm, both two operation ss. i want to congratulate the courage, the bravery, of the police officers of all those who participated in these operations. i want to say to them that we are proud, proud of them because order has been given and they carried out the assault with the same result they did this to save human lives, those of the hostages. they did this to neutralize the terrorists. those who had killed. but even if france is aware that
she's overcome, she can together with the security forces bring men and women who are capable. france has not finished with this threat and so i want to call on you for vigilance, unity and mobilization. i call on you also to unity because i expressed myself the french people. this is our best weapon. unity that we must demonstrate our determination to fight against anything that can divide us and first of all, to be impeccable. to be against any anti-semitism because there was anti-semitic attack committed today in the kosher shop not to be divided means we must not make any
confusion and to make it easy to remove out trumping concerning these terrorists these fanatics who have nothing to do with the muslim religion. >> the french president, of course, and as traumatic as these events have been, we've seen signs physical signs and signs in the behavior of the french people from the beginning that they would not be intimidated and point of terrorism to scare them and terrorize would not find its mark. they are not afraid. we see tonight it says paris is charlie referring obviously to charlie hebdo that they have become unified by this and of course all of this who are began here at the offices of the magazine. this is a memorial that's been set up to it. it's been growing by the hour. you see there are flowers and notes and reminders of what the magazine has done before.
the french culture rich with the feel of satire. nothing is beyond the line of acceptable in terms of critique. any religion whether it was the pope or judaism or islam, that they have all been treated equally by the pens at the magazine. people have left reminders and candles. smoke in the air is because someone brought a christmas tree here as a reminder and it caught fire from one of the candles. police came and put it out. one trauma that was averted here today. as we walk along here be careful as we walk along so we don't step on anything. excuse me. i'm sorry. we come through candles. you see flowers. notes of support. some of them for the cartoonists who were lost and other staff members. the police whose lives were taken. and promises of solidarity. promises that charlie hebdo would not be forgotten as the terrorists screamed out that they had killed charlie hebdo, the french respond that that couldn't be farther from the
truth. joe, let's hold right here. you can see all along the fence more of it. we've seen these before. the french flag with people writing on them that we will survive and endure through this. we've seen memorials like this. we saw it at 9/11 and after boston. it means every bit as much here. it wasn't just a magazine. it was something that was not just freedom of expressions but fundamental to french culture that they believe in and that's what was attacked and it reminded people to come together and that their strength is obviously in their unity. and that's what je suis charlie means. it's that everybody here is what was attacked. and that they resolve not to be afraid. this is just one set of reminders that's been growing by the hour. in the days and weeks ahead, this culture and these people are going to have to come together because they are painfully aware of the threat
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we're live in paris. i'm joined by a former french navy s.e.a.l. he's a security expert and he's intimately familiar with the french tactics used in investigating and fighting against the terror assaults we've thank you for joining us and thank you for the help that you've been this week. you said to me early on as this was still unfolding, these men think that they are soldiers. this is the threat that the french people face this is a wake-up call. what do you mean? >> i think french people not only french people from some people in europe and the world, understand that in our country we have french guys french people who are at war against
our system. all what we have seen during the last two days demonstrates those guys clearly prepare to strike everything which will present a threat to islam. >> reporter: they weren't justin madmen. they believe they had a focus and an ideology? >> exactly. they weren't madmen. they wanted to target first these men because they represent an entity that's guns islam. >> reporter: the enemy from their point of view? >> from their point of view, yes. >> reporter: and that's why they were careful to say, we don't want to kill women, innocents -- >> yes. >> reporter: as hypocritical as that is by killing innocent people they think they're soldiers carrying out a mission, in their mind? >> exactly. for them it's a soldier at war.
they do not hesitate to kill this police officer in the street as an enemy, as a soldier, too. they didn't kill the guy from the gas station. they didn't kill the people that drove the car -- >> reporter: it doesn't make them good. it informs what is going on in their head what their perversion is in their own mind as to what right and wrong is. but what do you make of the muslim issue? you said to me early on doesn't matter that they're muslim that they're being found and targeted because they're susceptible to this type of brainwashing but that you don't have to be muslim to be someone who falls prey to being a soldier for the wrong cause. >> of course. i think those guys are misinformed. the majority of muslims in the world are not terrorists. >> reporter: of course. >> do not want to do that.
those guys were lost when they were younger, they spent time in jail. they became much more radical in jail. they got information from an imam in jail. that's why they progressively became sure about the actions they wanted to do against enemy of islam from their point of view. >> reporter: and you're worried that if the cultural reaction in france is to see the muslims as a potential problem, it only makes this situation worse, it only creates more -- >> of course. this is the main issue. people in france have to understand we cannot mix -- i have many friends, muslim guys they are completely crying they don't understand.
they feel like people are looking at them strangely and now they have some fear that people now want to target them -- >> reporter: and that's exactly what the extremists want they want moderates to be seen as part of the problem because then that helps their own narrative that the west is against them? >> yeah. and our politics now have to deliver a very clear message to the french population. we have to do everything to stop them. there is no comparison to others in france. they have to demonstrate to that point of view -- in order -- >> reporter: muslim are as french as anyone else. it's the extremists that are the problem. >> french is french. >> reporter: french is french no matter your faith. >> we are french who are muslim,
christian, jewish. >> reporter: they had these guys on a watch list. the u.s. had them on a no-fly list. how do you have someone who seems like they should have been a priority wind up being so free to do something like this? where is that failure? >> we cannot have surveillance on everybody. i think there are plenty of guys like this who are always playing with the limits of our city. if they have surveillance for a certain number of weeks, months sometimes they go in jail. and as soon as they get out of jail -- >> reporter: but he went to jail for trafficking for jihad. supposedly went to yemen himself and people knew -- >> yeah. >> reporter: that's a lot of connection to the bad guys. >> of course. there is a question about that. what do we do with this? do we have to wait for the
sentences, have stronger sentences? do we have a program to make assumption about these guys as soon as they get out of jail. maybe after ten years, they will get out of jail, what do we do with this? we have to have surveillance about that. now they have to adapt. we have good laws to stop that. what we want to put on the table to manage in. >> reporter: it's a struggle for authorities to figure out what they have to do. fabrice, thank you for the insight. i appreciate it. back to you in new york, brooke. >> chris cuomo, thank you so much, in paris. want to show you a picture just published by the primary
newspaper out of paris. this is the woman who is still on the run, this is the girlfriend of one of the hostage-taker who was killed in that kosher grocery store hostage siege. this was taken around 2010 just other images we're showing as we know french investigators and law enforcement are trying to find this woman and trying to find her alive. she really holds the clue to a lot of the bigger questions many many people have as far as how these individuals were radicalized, how this began, how far back it goes? and here's her -- apparently her boyfriend who was part of this hostage siege at the grocery store outside of paris. now, three terrorists are dead including the man you see on your screen after these standoffs today. now the fbi is issuing a new warning to law enforcement in the united states. let me go to washington to pamela brown who's speaking with sources, department of homeland security fbi, have issued a
bulletin in the wake of what happened in paris. >> reporter: that's right. it's clear u.s. officials are alarmed by what happened in paris and in light of that the fbi and dhs, as you said issued this bulletin this afternoon to law enforcement across the country discussing the seriousness of the paris attack earlier this week and what we've seen unfold today and the sophistication of the tactics we saw. according to a law enforcement source who read the report. and they talked about the attacks with a degree of sophistication and training traditionally not seen in recent small armed attacks, according to sources described in that bulletin. and the notice also discusses the manner in which the shooters handled, with familiarity and competency, suggesting formal training. of course there have been these reports that one of the attackers traveled to yemen in 2011 and this alert sent out suggests the claim by one of the attackers is he is associated
with i quapaqap. i want to make clear, there's no specific information according to sources anything is happening here in the u.s. but it reminds law enforcement officials that al qaeda and its affiliates are focused on attacking aviation and mass transit in certain cities in addition to government and police personnel here in the united states. >> pamela, thank you. apparently this younger -- one of the kouachi brothers spent a few months in yemen back in 2011 this was prior to when the american anwar awlaki was killed in that drone strike. that's when apparently he was trained before coming back to france and that was several years ago. stay with us here at cnn. we're all over this breaking coverage out of paris for our viewers in the united states.
"the lead" with jake tapper is next. to our viewers all around the world, hala gorani is live in paris. i'm brooke baldwin here in new york. thank you so much for being with me. our special coverage continues right now. a nation gripped in fear as two terrorist stand-offs take place at the same time and they both end in the same chilling and bloody fashion. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." breaking news in our world lead smoke, explosions gunfire, herds of hostages being led away in fear. now three alleged terrorists are among the dead after a long rampage and manhunt across france. another suspect, a gunman's girlfriend an alleged accomplice may have slipped away a woman wanted in connection with the murder of a police officer, what could she know about the plot? what could